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FERSBERY, I HOPE YOU STILL HAVE TIME FOR THE SITE. I HAVE A PROBLEM BUILDING THE EXE FROM SOURCE CODE OF FRUIT AND TOGA DUE TO POOR KNOWLEDGE IN PROGRAMMING. COULD YOU GIVE ME A "LAMERS" STEP BY STEP GUIDE USING DEVC++. IS THE MONSTERDEVC.EXE YOUR VERSION OF THE MONSTER005 SOURCE CODE. I STILL HAVE IT IN MY FILES BEFORE IT WAS REMOVED FROM THE AUTHOR'S SITE. THANKS IN ADVANCE. JUAN.
Hello, Juan, Thanks for coming by, amigo. Yes, I compiled Toga from its sources with DevC++ compiler. I used the default settings without changing anything in the code or in the compiler. The steps are: 1. Create a new project (I named my project Toga.dev) of the type "Win 32 console" 2. Add all files in the source (except Makefile) to the project (*.cpp and *.h files) 3. Go to Execute and then Compile & Run It looks simple but there are many pitfalls. Most important is that the compiler is set with its default settings - especially directories of libraries and include files. It seems that I was not completely successful after all. The Toga.exe worked, it played chess under winboard, but it was not as strong as the original (20% weaker in the test done by chessmonster). Also it didn't display its thinking in the analysis. The file was much smaller than the original (even smaller if you set optimisations and strip code in the settings of the compiler and linker). It looks as if not all code in the sources have been compiled. I compiled monster.exe in exactly the same way as above. The file was almost half of the original and in my tests it was stronger than the original. However, it still didn't display analysis and I think it is not fully compiled too, due to the Toga code in it. I see that you made the same request for help to chessmonster. Hope he knows more than me on the issue because he is more experienced in programming.
THANKS FOR THE INFO. IT SEEMS DEV C++ WAS A BEST CHOICE FOR BEGINNERS, AND AS WELL AS THE FRUIT AND TOGA SOURCE CODES. YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ENGINE DOES NOT DISPLAY RUNNING ANALYSIS (ONLY THE NODES/SEC AND PLY DEPTH). BTW, YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO GAVE ME A SPECIFIC/DETAILED AND CLEAR GUIDE WHICH HELPED ME A LOT. AND IT'S A GOOD THING I'VE SAVED ALL YOUR PAST CONVERSATIONS WITH CHESSMONSTER RELATED TO THIS TOPIC. IT'S A BIG FACTOR. SOMEONE ADVICED ME TO USE THE NEW CODEPROJECT C++IDE ON THIS LINK :http://www.codeblocks.org. GUESS I'LL GIVE IT A TRY. LASTLY, FO YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE COMPILING THE CODES OF GLAURUNG AND CRAFTY? I'M STILL WORKING ON IT AT THIS TIME. ANYWAY, THANKS FOR MAKING MY TASK SUCCESSFUL. JUAN
Thanks, amigo, I am glad we could exchange info. I don't have experience in glaurung and crafty. Tried to compile winboard and polyglot from the author's sources in DevC++ but no success - too many errors after compiling which I couldn't correct. I look forward to news about your further attempts.
Not all released source codes are complete, compatible with DevC++ or your available compiler. Some scripts have to be edited or added to make things work. The bottom line is to study how each language works and how to manipulate them like normal programmers do. I'm lucky that the Fruit and Toga codes are error free and compatible with the GCC compiler. But right now, I'm into hard reading and collection of available codes for testing. Try these links: http://digilander.libero.it/mizarchessengine/paper... http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/ And lastly, it's better to try firsthand info from the engine authors and their compiling programmers as well. Jim Ablett is a nice choice (from http://homepages.tesco.net/henry.ablett/jims.html)... His active compiling of Typhoon and Knightcap is quite interesting. Thanks for the compliments amigo. Juan
Thanks for the info, amigo. I'll sure try the links you suggest. I installed the Codeblock compiler from the link you gave and tried to compile Toga, Winboard_x and Polyglot in it. Toga compiled again with no errors but the code was larger (256 k) and it still did not give analysis. Also the speed (nodes per second) was much slower than the original. The other 2 programs again couldn't compile because of errors. Next, I'll try the Borland 5.5 compiler since many of the programs are written to compile in it so it is something like a standard (together with the Microsoft compilers). Of course, it is much better to change the source code, and not the compiler, but for people like me, who don't have time to study deeply computer languages, it is worth to try shortcuts. Still, I'll try to learn some further, at least to know which header files to change.
Yes indeed amigo. You said it right. I also face the same problems with engines having no analysis too. Chessmonster mentoned to you using the makefile for optimization based on this thread: chessmonster chess monster 16 days ago Quote -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don t think you compiled it from the makefile :D I compiled toga to 120 k too if i don t use the makefile but it s not optimised :D Just test it against toga 121 and look at the Kn/s . I think your kn/s should be slower than the bryan Offman or Thomas Version An easy way to optimised it , you could compiled it from the makefile with window command prompt or like this in window XP , run , CMD , C:\cd go to your files where the Toga sources are and then type the following command cl *.cpp cl -o toga.exe *.obj and it will compiled with optimization ... your compilation depend of your compiler C++ and your computer too. more you are a better compiler and more your cpu is big more your .exe release will be fast . end ---------------------------------------------------------------- I couldn't make it work on my Windows2000 but I guess I have to study first the commands for CYGWIN, DEV C++ and CODEBLOCKS, as well as the easy shortcuts fit for us. Its a trial and error thing but I know we'll hit it right in the end. Thanks again for the time. Juan. BTW, if you're interested, DEEP PHARAON 3.5 had just been released at http://www.fzibi.com/pharaon/ . Have a nice day amigo.
Thanks again for the info, amigo. I haven't tried to compile from command line, at least not Toga and other multisource program, because I know they require makefiles. In the IDE environments, such as DevC++ and Codeblocks makefiles are made authomatically using the options provided for the project. For instance, DevC++ always makes a file called Makefile.win which is a text file with all the optimisations given by the user. There is an option also to use external makefile instead, but for me this option didn't work with the makefile provided in Toga. I had tried to incorporate the optimisations given in the Toga makefile into DevC++ Makefile.win. Most of those are in the form of compiler and linker options. Those that are not there can be incorporated separately as a text in a list (or optionally right into the text of Makefile.win). There are two lists - for the compiler and for the linker. Those optimisations didn't change much, only decreased the size of Toga.exe to 90 kb. Still no analysis, and the speed is only about 60% of the original Toga.exe. Thanks for the pharaon link. I'll make use of this prog.
I also did that with the same results. But using the Microsoft Visual Basic C++ 6.0 compiler without the makefile, I got a 385 kb TOGA executable with analysis. The downside is, it's searching only about half of the original compiled by Bryan Hoffman. In the first place, I couldn't remember how I got this compiler (dated 1999) and its optimization configuration hasn't even improved the speed yet. The following links may be of interest to you too. http://www.tantalon.com/pete/cppopt/main.htm http://www.ddj.com/184405641 I've learned that most multi-threaded applications (like chess engine programs) are best optimized using the Intel C++ compiler (for Linux) because it supports this feature. Microsoft Visual C++ 7.1, CodeWarrior and GCC follows the previous based on rank respectively. BTW, always check Franks Zibi's site (pharaon) because he's working on it. He leaves his released version as is ( as pharaon.zip) but edits the beta version (pharaon_beta.zip). Check the file date to see if it was changed. The last released version is at par with Rybka 1.1 on my tests. Thanks for the ideas amigo!
I found a rapidshare download for the intel C++ compiler for windows. I can't download it yet due to limited internet hours. Here's the link amigo: http://rapidshare.de/files/31443430/Intel.C.Plus.P... I hope this helps. Juan
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